Saturday, October 09, 2004

Marines in Iraq

Check out this WaPo story on the complaints of Marines stationed in Iraq. As the story points out, the grunts eye view isn't always the most accurate, but it's still pretty depressing. Key quote:

"The reality right now is that the most dangerous opinion in the world is the opinion of a U.S. serviceman," said Lance Cpl. Devin Kelly, 20, of Fairbanks, Alaska.

Lance Cpl. Alexander Jones, 20, of Ball Ground, Ga., agreed: "We're basically proving out that the government is wrong," he said. "We're catching them in a lie."

9 comments:

Palooka said...

Hmmmm. Maybe you can explain why those grunts vote for Bush by a 3:1 margin.

Anonymous said...

Palooka, how do you know? Is there a reasonable poll to study? Suppose they are lying to the pollster because they do not wish their commanding officers to know. How much mind reading did you study in college?

Palooka said...

That was a poll a saw conducted through online means (I think USA Today did it), if I remember correctly. The ratio is probably smaller, or at least I wouldn't be surprised if it was closer to 2:1.

Most of the reports I have heard is that things are better than the media reports. I suspect that is the general consensus among those serving in Iraq. I know one Lt. who returned, and that is his general feeling, too. And he was stationed near Falluja for some time.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Palooka. The situations in various towns seem mixed and occluded. It will be significant if 1200 American grunts can stay in Samarra for more than a few weeks without becoming victim to a string of guerrilla attacks. Some of the other signs are not so good: the instructions to personnel for staying safe INSIDE the green zone; Richard Beeston's report that beheading vidos are a very popular purchase in the big cities.

jaws said...

Here's the article Palooka was likely refering to:
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_vote_100404,00.html

I don't really trust this WaPo article, as it looked like the author seemed to cherry pick for quotes. He could have instead just written an article on a completely positive attitude.

QPRHigh said...

I feel for the guys interviewed for the story and the thankless job they are doing, but to take the pulse of an army by asking E3s and E4s what they think about getting shot at is horsedung. I don't understand why no senior NCOs or Company Grade Officers were interviewed for the story. Guess what - when they're not carrying out the job of being part of the best fighting force in the world today, junior enlisted Marines, and for that matter soldiers and sailors, complain, and then complain some more. No question things are tough over there now, and they're going to stay tough through the elections and as responsibility for security transitions at what will seem like a snail's pace to the Iraqis. Our government has to do everything it can to support our deployed troops, and has to continue to impress on those of us at home how critical a job our Marines and soldiers are doing, but I for one am not going to wring my hands in despair because some junior enlisted Marines say everything is going to hell.

Anonymous said...

How tough is it? Check the Reuters story this morning on the extraordinary security measures INSIDE the Green Zone(Oct. 10). People have to fear kidnapping in there. As for outside the zone... Moral? Follow Shinseki's advice on troop levels, or just get out. This Titanic is going down.

Yo said...

We don't lie about our vote in the USMC. The only people that I've met so far that were DUMB enough to vote for Clinton or Kerry were Officers, civilians, and a few retarted enlisted men. The rest of us have to be able to THINK for ourselves, and we can see Bush is the right man. Oh, he may not be perfect, but if Clinton, Gore, or Kerry were in office, we'd be the United States of China right now! (ET AL...Clinton wouldn't do ANYTHING without China's pre-approval.)

Anonymous said...

Well, there's another reason why the troops voted for Bush: He was less socialist and thus less evil domestically than Kerry was (in spite of his dangerous, unconstitutional and misguided foreign policy). Perhaps that's why troops are donating more to Ron Paul than any other candidate, including the mainstream "Republicans". Think about it. http://www.ronpaul2008.com