Saturday, October 23, 2004

voter intimidation, cont.--here's the link...

Posting the link didnt seem to work--here are excerpts from the story from today's NYTimes....

from http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/23/politics/campaign/23vote.html?pagewanted=2

Republican Party officials in Ohio took formal steps yesterday to place thousands of recruits inside polling places on Election Day to challenge the qualifications of voters they suspect are not eligible to cast ballots.

Party officials say their effort is necessary to guard against fraud arising from aggressive moves by the Democrats to register tens of thousands of new voters in Ohio, seen as one of the most pivotal battlegrounds in the Nov. 2 elections.


6 comments:

Palooka said...

I love this feigned outrage. What about the Dem manual which states they should accuse Republicans of fraud even WHEN THERE IS NO PROOF. What about the CURRENT voter intimidation of Republicans (check out Power Line). Where's your outrage about that?

If felons, dead people, and illegals lined up to vote for Republicans, I'm sure you'd have a different view of the practice.

Paul Frymer said...

I looked at power line. There is a difference between random voters standing in line making comments to other people in line (how do you stop that?) and the Republican Party leadership authorizing (and no doubt paying) people to stare at people lining up, choose specific individuals who dont "look right" and question whether they belong.

How are felons voting? You mean people in jail or who are wanted or who are ex-felons? I dont know about Ohio, but in many states, being an ex-felon doesnt stop you from voting--you are still an American citizen. And how will the GOP thugs figure out what an ex-felon looks like? Are they wearing a button? What does a dead voter look like? My guess is that even the 90 year old league of women voter volunteers will stop a corpse from voting. What does an illegal voter look like? Anyone wearing a turbin or speaking spanish or just not white? I'm sure the skinheads will be allowed right in.

If the Republicans want to carefully scan election lists to make sure everyone is correctly registered, fine. If they want to just stop large groups of people from voting (as they do with election lists in Florida) with little care for whether they are accurate; or if they want to stand around and point at people who look suspicious, that's against the law and illegal intimidation. I thought that voting and freedom was the most recent explanation that George Bush settled on to explain why we were in Iraq.

This is all yet another reason that Ashcroft and his boss have to go.

Anonymous said...

palooka: let's cut to the chase; the Reeps will have a bunch of white guys in blue suits glaring at blacks, especially young blacks. They will also stare at Hispanics. It is called Republican racism, just like in the solid Republican South. Before the Civil War, free soilers called them "pukes." Thank you for your question.

Palooka said...

I looked at power line. There is a difference between random voters standing in line making comments to other people in line (how do you stop that?) and the Republican Party leadership authorizing (and no doubt paying) people to stare at people lining up, choose specific individuals who dont "look right" and question whether they belong.

-----Who says they're so "random?" ;) And I'd like to know the difference between what you and NY Times accuse Republicans of planning, and what we know the Dems are doing for a fact--accusing Republicans of fraud when there is none. I don't like either tactics, unlike your selective outrage.

How are felons voting? You mean people in jail or who are wanted or who are ex-felons?

-------Ex-felons? LOL. A felon is someone who has committed a felony. Ex-felon? Felons can't vote in most states.

I dont know about Ohio, but in many states, being an ex-felon doesnt stop you from voting--you are still an American citizen. And how will the GOP thugs figure out what an ex-felon looks like? Are they wearing a button? What does a dead voter look like? My guess is that even the 90 year old league of women voter volunteers will stop a corpse from voting. What does an illegal voter look like? Anyone wearing a turbin or speaking spanish or just not white? I'm sure the skinheads will be allowed right in.

-------Real original.

If the Republicans want to carefully scan election lists to make sure everyone is correctly registered, fine. If they want to just stop large groups of people from voting (as they do with election lists in Florida) with little care for whether they are accurate; or if they want to stand around and point at people who look suspicious, that's against the law and illegal intimidation.

----------And accusing Republicans of voter fraud when there is none is what? Is that wrong? Is that reprehensible? Why I can't even begin to take you seriously on this issue is your feigned ignorance and selective moral outrage. You're a joke, Paul.

Anonymous said...

When faced with the prospect of losing a race, the Democrats have this incredible ability to pull off the most blatantly racist, bigoted tricks in the book to turn the tables in their favor. I've always hated this about them, even when I used to vote for them.

When it became clear to everyone (except the Los Angeles Times) that we were throwing Gray Davis out of office last year, the ACLU filed a last-ditch lawsuit at the urging of desperate Democrats to have the Recall election postponed until every California county was converted to electronic voting machines.

African-Americans and Latinos, argued the ACLU, were too stupid to figure out the punch ballots. They also argued that African-Americans and Latinos were too stupid to find their polling places because the number was reduced for the special election.

And that DNC election handbook was absolutely horrifying. I knew they were capable of this, but to see it in print made it so much worse.

Terry McAuliffe, Jimmy Carter, Jesse Jackson, and the rest of these clowns should be deported for damaging our faith in the American election process for personal gain.

Solomon Wolfson

Anonymous said...

And one more thing: America invented the modern democracy. Keep the UN the Hell away from our polling places!

Solomon Wolfson
www.solomonwolfson.com